Harlan - Well, this comes from him and another guy from Nebraska who have applied for a liquor license in the state of Nebraska. They have stated publicly that they want to build a bar or start a liquor store in White Clay, Nebraska, because of all those other liquor stores there and they want to put them out of business, they want to start a non profit and put the profits back into rehab, so......

Ward - Well, I’ll tell you what, I’m astonished with that and it’s the first I’ve heard of it and I was just with Russ yesterday and not a word was said, so you caught me flat footed on that one if it’s true. And I have no idea why he would be engaged in that activity.

Harlan - Well, he’s saying he wants to put the other ones out of business. That’s a whole different topic. Let’s go to John in Whiteriver, Arizona.

John - I think Mr. Means did the press yesterday to get publicity for himself.

Harlan - So you’re in agreement with Vernon? John - Yes, I am.

Harlan - Well, yeah you’re right, because like Vernon said earlier their names have been thrown around for years and also we had Paul DeMain on yesterday from News From Indian Country and they came out with not only one but I believe two reports in which Vernon and Clyde were both, I guess somehow found in connection with this. John how will this help our Indian people?

John - I think it brings more history to our people and the Peltier case.

Harlan - Let’s bring back in Vernon. Vernon, do you wanna make some comments.

Vernon - I’m surprised by Mr. Means behavior, particularly yesterday in addition of course, to accusing my brother, Clyde Bellecourt and I, of setting up the death of Anna Mae Aquash, he accused me and this is Ward Churchill’s line incidentally that I’m a federal agent since 1973, I guess he means I’m an FBI agent, but you know from a man, in real life, that is R-E-A-L condemned Pocahantas and the movie Last of The Mohicans and the book and then when he gets to Hollywood, he gets blinded by the Klege lights and deafened by the sound stage, he now tells us that Pocahantas and Last of the Mohicans are the two greatest films ever made about Indian people. And the role he played in Buffalo Girl, I guess was the name where he played either Crazy Horse or Sitting Bull along with our dear brother, Red Crow Westerman, it was a terrible insult to these two great patriots. So there’s been a whole series of reckless behavior and as I said, his puppeteer standing in the wings right now on this radio show is a very key player in what has no doubt and again I repeat, started in the Nixon White House and continues at this very moment on this program.

Harlan - Let’s go to Lynn in Los Lumus New Mexico......

Lynn - Haven’t made up my mind about how I feel about it. [I was at a] poetry reading of Trudell’s, Robideau stood up and accused him of participating in her murder.

Harlan - Vernon? Vernon - That actually did happen. John Trudell was accused and unfortunately, Bob Robideau, who we all stood behind along with our dear brother Dino Butler, and had them acquitted of being accomplices in the deaths of the two FBI agents at Jumping Bull, now has joined Ward Churchill and company and are part of this 10 or 12 people that staged a phony tribunal, engineered by Mr. Churchill, that supposedly booted my brother Clyde and I out of the American Indian Movement. I mean, how amazing and again what Bill Means said, everything that they are accusing us of, is what they are doing and continuing to do, so you’re right, I’m glad you called in, and again, Mr. Churchill is part of the disinformation campaign that he’s doing right here on this radio show.

Harlan - O.K. Lynn, thanks for your call. I’m going to go to Gloria from Gallup, New Mexico.

Gloria - I’ve been listening, and thoroughly appalled at Russell Means was saying about Anna Mae Aquash. This is a sad day for AIM. I’m Navajo so I think I can speak for a lot of Navajo and I can’t trust anything he does. My personal opinion of him is that he is a high functioning sociopath and that you can’t trust what he says. I’m not clear about their work like I am about the Bellecourt’s work in the communities. It’s a sad day because of lack of responsible leadership in Indian Country. Not just in AIM but throughout Indian country. I personally cannot trust Russell Means as far as I can throw an elephant.

Harlan - Let’s go to Darlene in Anchorage.

Darlene - I was working at the We Will Remember Survival School in Rapid City. I was concerned with what was going on with the children in South Dakota. I’d like to talk about the climate of fear. What the FBI did in Rapid City, they felt free to walk right into the house, not knocking on the door, there were children being killed in Rapid City. We were afraid to drive down to Pine Ridge. The FBI surrounded our caravan when we were going to Lawrence, Kansas. The FBI felt very free to mix in with the Native people there. In Alaska......

Harlan - I’ve got to cut you off and give our guest a few minutes for final comments, and Ward, I’m going to start off with you. One thing we haven’t asked the whole hour, is are these charges, is anybody going to be indicted?

Ward - Well, I can’t say if anybody is going to be indicted or not, they’ve known who the crew was that that actually was on the ground and did the job on Anna Mae for 20 years and presumably if this was an FBI operation, they’ve known who was responsible for it top to bottom since day one. O.k. what we’re trying to do is push it to a situation where there is some resolution to the case after a quarter of a century and in the process of resolving the particular case, clarify the context of FBI counterintelligence operations of vis-a-vis the American Indian Movement and most particularly Leonard Peltier.

Whether we’re gonna be successful in that effort or not, is an open question, there’s been three grand juries to date, and they’ve returned no indictments at all, O.K.? and presumably, that’s because, as Vernon himself said, they’re protecting someone higher up and that was the order giver and that’s who we want to get to.

They’re also protecting their own agents who were complicit and we want to get to them as well and they’re protecting this coroner who came up with a number of spurious autopsy reports on Pine Ridge during those days and we want to get to that finally as well, and a result of that get to a situation where the arguments can be made with respect to Leonard Peltier that gets him out of prison finally.

Harlan - Ward, thank you for joining us, Vernon Bellecourt, you’ve got just a few minutes.

Vernon - Sure, well, first of all, my name is Wabuninini, I’m a member of the Crane Clan of the great Anishinabe Ojibway, AKA Chippewas, enrolled, recognized in my community and throughout the world, wherever I’ve worked as someone that is concerned about the well being of not only our people, but non Indian people as well. I would urge all your listeners to take the time right now to email, phone, fax, write letters to President William Jefferson Clinton and call for executive clemency for Leonard Peltier, I think that’s the greatest thing we can do today.

Certainly through this whole dialogue and discussion, I was thinking about the family of Anna Mae Aquash up in Nova Scotia, who might be hearing this program and to them, if we’ve caused them any distress or further sorrow or bad memories, I personally want to offer my sincerest apology, however, this will never be cleared up and I would urge everyone to visit our website AIMovement.org, look at the chronology of activities that the American Indian Movement has been involved in in the last 30 years and then look and see what Mr. Means and Mr. Churchill have done, other than lining their own pockets with their phony books and bad movies and holding down positions on campuses and he has a whole network of those people and he mentioned some of those people earlier, that hold down similar positions, they ought to allow Indian people to conduct Indian business.

Harlan - We’re out of time Vernon Bellecourt. (Wrap up and promo for the next day)